Path: tut!enea!mcvax!uunet!husc6!hao!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!laidbak!spl1!bear From: bear@spl1.UUCP (Harry Skelton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc Subject: COMP.BINARIES Newsletter (New Moderator) Message-ID: <341@spl1.UUCP> Date: 17 Dec 87 18:29:32 GMT Reply-To: bear@spl1.UUCP (Harry Skelton) Organization: The Software Public Library, Inc. Chicago, IL Lines: 1045 Volume 1 - Issue 1 - 12/17/87 Author - Harry Skelton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@ @@::::::@@ @@::::::@@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@@@@@@@@:: @@: :: The Binary News Letter - COMP.BINARIES.IBM.PC @@::::::: @@: @@: @@: @@ @@: @@@@@@@@:: :: :::::::: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Binary News Letter covers issues pertaining to the IBM-PC and other PC compatables. The main issues covered are 'public domain' software and questions in regards to any available MS-DOS based software. Information in this news letter is obtained from direct sources and user observation on the problems covered in this issue. Authorship and is Copyright (C) 1987 by Harry Skelton. INFORMATION IN THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT DECLARED AS ACCURATE NOR SHALL ANY PARTY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGES RESULTING FROM THE USE OF SAID INFORMATION. IT IS UP TO THE READER OF THIS DOCUMENT TO INSURE THAT ALL PRECAUTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN BEFORE THE USE OF ANY INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT. The use of copyrighted information in this document, such as trade marks, software or hardware information, and the like, are used as general public information and are assumed to be public knowledge. Information contained in this document does not reflect the opinion of any company or person(s) unless directly stated. Messages recieved by any party will be considered public information and the sender is responsible for it's content. Harry Skelton reserves the right to edit any message received in order to protect copyright information. All messages will be posted. Send messages and / or articles to: {insert major backbone and systems here}!spl1!bear (WAS laidbak!guardian) Volume 1 - Issue 1 - 11/25/87 Author - Harry Skelton ----------------------------------------------------------------------- @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@ @@::::::@@ @@::::::@@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@@@@@@@@:: @@: :: The Binary News Letter - COMP.BINARIES.IBM.PC @@::::::: @@: @@: @@: @@ @@: @@@@@@@@:: :: :::::::: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Contents: From the Sysop..................................................Page 1 NMI (New Mail Incomming)........................................Page 2 /usr/binaries - Information on software selection...............Page 14 UPLOAD Upcomming Software.......................................Page 16 Unvalidated Software............................................Page 17 The Pirate List.................................................Page 17 The Hot Line....................................................Page 17 page 1 vol. 1 issue 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From the SYSOP Since I requested to become the moderator of the comp.binaries.ibm.pc group, I have received a lot of comments and calls on the matter. Below is the electronic mail from several sites for votes on the issue. Some have asked that I not post newsletters in comp.binaries.ibm.pc so I think that a good group to post them to is comp.sys.ibm.pc. Later I will post a full listing of software that will be docked for uploading and also software that I am trying to get the author verified so I can post it. If you have something to post, please be sure you have ALL the information as to the author so I may contact him/her and get a formal release to post the information. I will document all findings as to author response on the posting of PD software. All software posted by me in this newsgroup will be verified ! NO PIRATE SOFTWARE! (Sorry guys..a court room is not my idea of a good office for a programmer.) Comment on progs posted should be e-mailed rather than posted. General comments and fixes should be e-mailed and findings will be posted as a digest to comp.sys.ibm.pc (since no .d group exists for the binaries and I don't want to flood the net with requests or questions). About the first of the year or just after Christmas, I will be placing a formal control message to have this group officially moderated. I must first see how things go and get my machine established. I wish to thank you for your support! Harry Skelton bear@spl1.UUCP (was guardian@laidbak.UUCP ) .---------. : .-. : ...!spl1!bear : `-'o : : O : `---------' The Far Seek ... Tales from the bad sector. "Harry said he was going to stay late to fix a program called Jack or something but all we found, officer, was some notes with 'Elizibeth' scrawled all over them, an axe, and some polorids of a troll or something." page 2 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // // // // ////// New Mail Incomming //// // //// //// // // // // // // // // // Please direct all comments // // // // // // // and other information to // // // // // // ...!spl1!bear // //// // // // // // // // ////// ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** The following mail is from users who have cast their votes in regards to my moderation of the group - comp.binaries.ibm.pc. I hope this will be suffice to enable my moderation. *** [ Headers Edited to save on space - old article inserts removed ] From ihnp4!hoqax!twb Wed Nov 11 20:15:12 1987 Subject: Re: Posting for new moderator - comp.binaries.ibm.pc You get my vote for moderator. Sounds like you're in a position to supply valuable postings to the Usenet community. I'm not sure what the procedure is for determining a new Moderator. I'll watch the discussion. Tom Beattie ihnp4!hoqaa!twb --------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Gillogly Subject: Re: Posting for new moderator - comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: Banzai Institute Thanks! I'll look forward to your editorship. -- Jim Gillogly {hplabs, ihnp4}!sdcrdcf!randvax!jim jim@rand-unix.arpa [HASA: U (Spam) division] ---- Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: The Software Public Library, Inc. Chicago, IL From: spl1!raj (Robert Alan Johnson) You get my vote! Bob ----- From ihnp4!whuts!dab Tue Nov 24 12:00:18 1987 Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Go for it!!, sounds like you got the stuff needed for the job!! --- Cogito Ergo Zoom Chaste makes waste "Intelligence without character is a dangerous thing" (G. Steinem) Dave B. (no relation to Adam West) {ihnp4,allegra,ulysses}!whuts!dab page 3 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From ihnp4!ihlpa!fmb Tue Nov 24 12:00:29 1987 Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc I would like to cast my vote for you Fernando Botelho ihnp4!ihlpa!fmb ----- From ihnp4!ihlpl!dshwang Tue Nov 24 12:00:56 1987 Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Harry: I vote for you to be the new moderator in comp.binaries.ibm.pc newsgroup. BTW, I am relatively new in the net. I have seen many uuencoded codes being posted. I can uudecode and download them to my pc (6300). So far I couldn't make any of them to work. My understanding is that I have to deARC it before I run it. Can you send me a copy of ARC and deARC program? Or can you give me any advice on how to run those uuencoded program? Thank you. Dennis Hwang ATT Bell Labs ihnp4!ihlpl!dshwang (312)416-7202 ----- From ihnp4!pegasus!avi Tue Nov 24 12:03:27 1987 Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: AT&T-IS Labs, Lincroft, NJ You have my vote for moderator. You asked for specific software requests. I would love to see the latest microemacs that was posted on the net recently available already compiled for the PC. All the source is useless if you don't have the right compilers, and is painful even if you do. -- Avi E. Gross @ AT&T (201) 576-6241 pegasus!avi or attmail!avigross ----- From ihnp4!ihuxy!vg55611 Tue Nov 24 12:01:25 1987 Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc You have my vote (with thanks) ! Could we also make a reasonable effort to ensure that all postings are accompanied by documentation ? Venu P. Gopal ihnp4!ihuxy!vg55611 ------- page 4 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spl1!eiibank!robby Tue Nov 24 14:02:55 1987 Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: Beatrice Company [ old article deleted ] Well, you have my vote. -Robby --- Robby Kates ...ihnp4!eiibank!robby Beatrice Corporate Headquarters, Chicago "...and a lover who looks straaaaangly, like Time the Avenga..." -CH- #include ----------- From: sun!wlbr.eaton.com!voder!tmb (Thomas Baird) Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: Eaton IMS, Westlake Village, CA Go for it - you got my VOTE ...tom From ihnp4!mhuxt!homxb!mtuxo!mtgzz!mtgzy!norm Tue Nov 24 20:30:07 1987 Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc OK, I hereby cast my vote for Harry Skelton, aka ihnp4!laidbak!guardian, of Lachman Associates, to be moderator of the USENET group comp.binaries.ibm.pc. Speaking solely for myself, I am: Norm Andrews AT&T Information Systems Room MT-2C402 200 Laurel Avenue Middletown, New Jersey 07748 (201)957-5786 vax135!mtuxo!mtgzy!norm ----- From: ihnp4!gargoyle!oddjob!hao.ucar.edu!ames!sdcsvax!net1.UCSD.EDU!todd (Todd Goodman) Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: UCSD Network Operations Group Count this as a yes vote for your moderation of comp.binaries.ibm.pc. Todd Goodman todd@net1.ucsd.edu ...!{ihnp4|ucbvax}!sdcsvax!net1!todd From: ihnp4!gargoyle!oddjob!hao.UCAR.EDU!ames!Sun.COM!amdcad!hamie (Ham Nguyen (Anh Yeu Dau)) Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View Harry, Please count me in as a vote for you. thx ham page 5 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ihnp4!pegasus!hansen Tue Nov 24 23:54:46 1987 Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: AT&T-IS Labs, Lincroft, NJ I'm all for moderation of the comp.binaries.ibm.pc newsgroup. I'd like to make the following suggestions, however. < 3) All letters recieved will be edited and posted in a news letter < to the group. This will cut down on a multitude of requests for < software or software related questions. I suggest (very strongly) that you just redirect letters to another group and not post them at all to comp.binaries.ibm.pc. This way all that comes across to the group will be binaries. < 1) I have about 20 megs of progs and have access to well over 200 meg of < P.D. code for the IBM-PC/MS-DOS machines. Considering the amount of traffic coming across the net, I don't think that the net could handle a large portion of that amount. I suggest that the amount posted to the net per week be kept to a constant amount. < 5) ARCing may or may not be performed on certain copies of the software < in order to allow users to deal with the data transfer as they wish. < From time to time, I will post a version of ARC suitable for the net < purposes. I fully support using arc on all binary postings. ASCII postings would be better done using shar format. Tony Hansen ihnp4!pegasus!hansen, attmail!tony ----- From amdahl!uunet!peregrine!imt3b2!imtsft Wed Nov 25 03:21:47 1987 Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: IMT Inc., Mission Viejo, CA. Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ name : IMT (Group Administrator) email : ...(ccicpg|peregrine)!imt3b2!imtsft ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- --- Paul Czarnik --- Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc From: ihnp4!cimcor!mike (Michael Grenier) [ article information deleted ] Sounds good to me. ihnp4!meccts!cimcor!mike page 6 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ihnp4!lll-lcc!csustan!polyslo!sutedjok (Sukanto Tedjokusuma) Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407 [ article information deleted ] I fully support you as the new moderator of Comp.binaries.ibm.pc. Good luck! --sukanto =========================== Sukanto Tedjokusuma =========================== California Polytechnic State Univ. 106 Mustang Dr. #203, ...!uunet!lll-winken!csustan!polyslo!sutedjok San Luis Obispo, CA 93401 ...!{ihnp4,hplabs}!csun!polyslo!sutedjok (805) 546-9131 From ihnp4!mhuxt!homxb!mtuxo!mtgzz!mtgzy!whc Wed Nov 25 10:44:19 1987 Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Middletown NJ Yes, I am casting another vote of support for the new moderator. I've been benefit from this group's posting for a long time and I am glad someone is taking over this newsgroup again. Thanks. ------- -====------ Wing H. Choy -======------ AT&T Information Systems --====------- Middletown, NJ 07748 ----------- (201) 957-5914 ------- ihnp4!mtgzz!whc From ihnp4!cbosgd!osu-cis!apr!las Wed Nov 25 15:58:30 1987 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 12:53:42 est From: ihnp4!apr!las (Larry Shurr) Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Organization: APR, Columbus, OH Cc: Status: OR Obviously I don't represent everyone, but this group needs a moderator. You seem to be in a position to carry out the task and to have the ability, resources, and motivation to do the job. You have my support (such as it is). regards, Larry -- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde, James Whistler or George Bernard Shaw depending on who you ask Name: Larry A. Shurr (cbosgd!osu-cis!apr!las or try {cbosgd,ihnp4}!cbcp1!las) page 7 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sun!pyramid!utai!dalcs!aucs!840411s Wed Nov 25 16:47:46 1987 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 14:24:41 AST From: sun!aucs!840411s (Black Widow) Message-Id: <8711251824.AA17798@aucs.UUCP> To: dalcs!guardian Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP> Organization: School of Computer Science, Acadia Univ., Nova Scotia Cc: Status: OR Yes, I think you would be a fine moderator. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "My god, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker!" - Bones From sun!decwrl!decvax!genrad!jpn Wed Nov 25 16:47:08 1987 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 87 10:37:51 est From: sun!decwrl!decvax!genrad!jpn (John P. Nelson) Message-Id: <8711241537.AA21696@teddy.UUCP> To: sun!genrad!sun!laidbak!guardian Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP> Organization: GenRad, Inc., Concord, Mass. Status: OR > VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE A resounding YES! I don't think a vote is even necessary. If you are willing to pick up the load, you are IT! I was tempted to volunteer, myself, because I get quite a bit of utility out of the net. However, I decided that I just couldn't afford the time. I hope you don't begin to find it a burden. Good Luck, John P. Nelson decvax!genrad!teddy!jpn mit-eddie!genrad!teddy!jpn ARPA!talcott!panda!teddy!jpn page 8 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!kotlas Wed Nov 25 20:08:03 1987 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 87 08:29:16 est From: sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!kotlas (Carolyn M. Kotlas) Message-Id: <8711241329.AA04430@ecsvax.UUCP> To: laidbak!guardian Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc News-Path: mcnc!rutgers!husc6!hao!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!laidbak!guardian References: <1260@laidbak.UUCP> Status: OR As MS-DOS software librarian for our organization, I appreciate the hard job you are volunteering for. You've got my vote, for whatever it's worth. It's a nasty job, but someone's got to do it ;-> --Carolyn --- Carolyn Kotlas (kotlas@ecsvax.UUCP or kotlas@ecsvax.BITNET) University of North Carolina - Educational Computing Service Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709 From numusic!nucsrl!mcdchg.uucp!heiby Wed Nov 25 20:26:13 1987 To: laidbak!guardian Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP> Organization: Motorola Microcomputer, Schaumburg, IL Message-Id: <8711251654.AA18130@mcdchg.UUCP> Date: 25 Nov 87 16:54:59 CST (Wed) From: Ron Heiby Status: OR Sounds good to me! -- Ron Heiby, heiby@mcdchg.UUCP Moderator: comp.newprod & comp.unix "Intel architectures build character." From sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!jmt Wed Nov 25 21:37:28 1987 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 87 10:28:04 est From: sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!jmt (Jerry M. Trott) Message-Id: <8711241528.AA06271@ecsvax.UUCP> To: laidbak!guardian Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Cc: Status: OR I'll vote yes. Let's get the binaries going again! -Jerry Trott UNC-ECS jmt@ecsvax.UUCP page 9 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sun!hplabs!rutgers!cit-vax!oxy!bagpiper Wed Nov 25 21:37:37 1987 Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Date: 24 Nov 87 07:48:46 PST From: sun!hplabs!rutgers!cit-vax!oxy!bagpiper (Michael Paul Hunter) Message-Id: <608@oxy.uucp> To: hplabs!sun!laidbak!guardian Status: OR Go for it. From sun!hplabs!rutgers!topaz.rutgers.edu!msmith Wed Nov 25 23:11:23 1987 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 87 13:24:09 EST From: sun!hplabs!rutgers!topaz.rutgers.edu!msmith (Mark Robert Smith) Message-Id: <8711241824.AA20907@topaz.rutgers.edu> To: hplabs!sun!laidbak!guardian Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Keywords: moderator source code pc msdos ibm In-Reply-To: USENET article <1260@laidbak.UUCP> Status: OR I vote yes, but make sure you have good connecitons. ncoast notoriously had trouble getting to some sites. Mark -- Mark Smith (alias Smitty) "Be careful when looking into the distance, RPO 1604, CN 5063 that you do not miss what is right under your nose." New Brunswick, NJ 08903 {backbone}!rutgers!topaz.rutgers.edu!msmith msmith@topaz.rutgers.edu {backbone}!rutgers!unirot!msmith From sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!mvolo Thu Nov 26 01:37:28 1987 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 87 22:25:40 est From: sun!hplabs!rutgers!mcnc.org!ecsgate!ecsvax!mvolo (Michael R. Volow) Message-Id: <8711250325.AA14037@ecsvax.UUCP> To: laidbak!guardian Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc News-Path: mcnc!rutgers!husc6!hao!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!laidbak!guardian References: <1260@laidbak.UUCP> Status: OR One vote in favor of continued existence of comp.binaries.ibm.pc and for your assuming the moderatorship of the group. Good luck. --Mike Volow, Psychiatry, Durham Veterans Administration Medical Center Durham, NC, 27712 919 383 3568 mvolo@ecsvax.UUCP page 10 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amdahl!ames!ut-sally!utastro!hgcjr Thu Nov 26 03:53:43 1987 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 18:41:58 CST From: ames!ut-sally!utastro!hgcjr (Harold G. Corwin Jr.) Posted-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 18:41:58 CST Message-Id: <8711260041.AA27703@astro.as.utexas.edu> To: ames!amdahl!laidbak!guardian Status: OR Harry, Re: VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE etc. Sounds good to me. I vote for you. It'll be good to get some decent stuff back on the net again. I especially like the idea of posting the bulletin board directories. I haven't made much use of BB's thus far since I haven't found a local one that keeps up with the latest shareware. I'm sure it's there -- I just haven't found it yet. Good luck! Harold --------------------- Harold G. Corwin, Jr. UUCP: {allegra,ihnp4}!{noao,ut-sally}!utastro!hgcjr Internet: hgcjr@astro.AS.UTEXAS.EDU MaBell: 512-471-7463 Astronomy Dept., RLM 15.308, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712-1083 From sun!hplabs!rutgers!dale.acc.virginia.edu!gjh Thu Nov 26 04:46:07 1987 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 15:00:06 EST From: Galen Hekhuis Reply-To: sun!hplabs!rutgers!dale.acc.virginia.edu!gjh To: laidbak!guardian Status: OR To: guardian@laidbak.UUCP Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP> Organization: University of Va., Charlottesville, VA Cc: Yeah, or sure, or yes, or whatever it takes to vote YES. (and thanks for taking the trouble, and donating the time!) -- "He is not rowing with a full deck of cards" gjh@virginia.UUCP Galen Hekhuis, UVa Medical Center gjh@virginia.BITNET Box 449, Jordan MEB, Charlottesville, VA 22908 (804) 924-0172 page 11 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amdahl!drivax!frotz Thu Nov 26 07:45:45 1987 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 87 17:39:12 pst From: Frotz Message-Id: <8711260139.AA02870@drivax> To: amdahl!laidbak!guardian Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP> Organization: Digital Research, Inc., Monterey, California Cc: Status: OR I vote YES! Sorry to see Brandon leave, but would be glad to have you onboard to straighten out the mess that the IBM groups have become (as far as binaries are concerned, of course). Frotz ============================================================= Digital Research, Incorporated amdahl!drivax!frotz 70 Garden Court, B28 (408) 649-3896 Monterey, California 93940 Ask for John Fa'atuai ============================================================= From: Jeff Forys To: laidbak!guardian Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Vote: yes You sound like you know what you're asking for ...err, doing. While I dont read the group, it should have a moderator, you have my vote for moderator of "comp.binaries.ibm.pc". Jeff Forys (forys@boulder.Colorado.EDU) From spl1!ll1a!nesac2!jec Mon Nov 30 10:01:24 1987 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 87 10:01:48 CST Message-Id: <8711301601.AA22660@laidbak.laichi.uucp> Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc If you're willing to take on the hassles and frustrations of moderating that much traffic, I wish you well (and a large bottle of Maalox :-) --- USnail: John Carter, AT&T, Atlanta RWC, 3001 Cobb Parkway, Atlanta GA 30339 Video: ...ihnp4!cuea2!ltuxa!ll1!nesac2!jec Voice: 404+951-4642 (The above views are my very own. How dare you question them? :-) page 12 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ihnp4!gargoyle!oddjob!mahendo.Jpl.Nasa.Gov!ames!elroy!jplgodo!trwrb!dwu (Daniel Wu) To: trwrb!scgvaxd!wlbr!jplgodo!mahendo!elroy!ames!hao!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!laidbak!guardian Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc Organization: TRW SDS, Redondo Beach, CA Go for it Harry! Do it! DO it! Do it! You've certainly got my vote. It's about time somebody took over that poor neglected newsgroup. Good luck. (I'm sure you'll come through). Daniel =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= __________ ______ ____ _____ ___ /_________//___ ||__|/____|/__/ Daniel Wu ___ ____/ / ____________ TRW Electronic Systems Group / / / /\ < | /| / One Space Park Drive, R6/1171 / / / / \ \ | / | / Redondo Beach, CA 90278 /__/ /__/ \__\|__/ |__/ ...{decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!trwrb!dwu Old Brahms Gang never die. They just have their accounts deleted. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sun!elxsi!len Mon Nov 30 18:11:28 1987 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 87 15:17:08 pst From: sun!elxsi!len (Len Mills) Message-Id: <8711302317.AA17859@elxsi.UUCP> To: sun!laidbak!guardian Subject: Vote Status: OR One vote in the affirmative for guardian as moderator. From sun!portal!cup.portal.com!Mark_G_Woodruff Wed Dec 2 12:06:17 1987 To: laidbak!guardian Subject: sys.ibm.pc.binaries Lines: 3 Date: Wed Dec 2 02:45:38 1987 Message-Id: <8712020245.1.7256@cup.portal.com> X-Origin: The Portal System (TM) X-Possible-Reply-Path: Mark_G_Woodruff@cup.portal.com X-Possible-Reply-Path: sun!portal!cup.portal.com!Mark_G_Woodruff You sound like a fine moderator. You have my vote. Mark_G_Woodruff@cup.portal.COM -or- sun!cup.portal.com!mark.g.woodruff page 13 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sun!hplabs!tektronix!tekgvs.TEK.COM!keithe Sat Dec 5 07:09:33 1987 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 87 14:08:35 PST From: sun!hplabs!tektronix!tekgvs.TEK.COM!keithe (Keith Ericson) Message-Id: <8712022208.AA02943@tekgvs.TEK.COM> To: laidbak!guardian Subject: Re: New moderator for comp.binaries.ibm.pc Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc In-Reply-To: <1260@laidbak.UUCP> Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Cc: Status: OR Like, hey, dude: the job's yers, fer shure! keith [ Nuff said ] page 14 volume 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/binaries - Information and articles dealing with IBM/MS-DOS binaries ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Subject of Software Selection Software selection for the group comp.binaries.ibm.pc by Harry Skelton Just to give you some insite as to why I did not stand up on December 2, 1987 and say "I am now the binary moderator". As you know, legal matters into what is copyright software and public domain have been a major issue in almost any environment. This problem has also affected my selection process of software for this group. Since I work for a computer consulting firm, the issue did reach management, both by USENET and by others from within the firm. In order to calm the rising tide, I had to make certain arrangements for this group and to also make sure that USENET was not in danger. The following are the rules. No exceptions. 1) All software must by copyrighted or source must be included if title of 'public domain' is to be stamped apon the software. Copyrighted software and 'public domain' software must also pass all other rules mentioned. 2) All software will be verified by several means: a) Hand signed document stating that the software is available for public and free release. The end user will be the one that must deal with any 'shareware' software and will not be the duty of the net to provide support of the product. In regards to 'free release', the information for such a release must also be included in the original license or in an ammended license. This will be on file with me. b) Phone contact and verification of such an agreement will be made. Some software can be released on phone call alone. If any questions come up then a hand signed document will be required. If the software is shareware or the like, then a document will be required with it as well. c) Software pre-testing will be performed on the software to insure userbility and help to provide for data security. i.e. no trojans ( obstinance is always the best measure (sorry for the pun)). d) Various system run: Test for clone compatability and EGA abilities. LIM/EMS will not be tested. Clock speeds will also be used in testing. page 15 volume 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) Post a notice of software upload one month prior to posting. Should any party object to the posting of the software, it will not be posted. If the party is the creator of the software, the software will be removed and placed on the Pirate or Hot lists. If a net user has an objection to the software posting, a question will be posted to the group to see those in favor of it's posting and those against. Majority be the ruling party. A letter will be sent to the copyright holder of the software to notify intent of posting and to verify agreement for public release. 4) Apon posting, A copy of the agreement will be posted along with the software mentioned. A letter will be send to the copyright holder to notify that the software was posted and on what date the posting occurred. This will be the only notice to the copyright holder. Postings by other users will not be permited or the user will be the one held accountable for any legal problems. I do not wish to extend myself into a legal battle. 5) Software found to be of a non-public-domain nature will be listed as a 'Pirate' if modified to run unprotected or copied without copyright holder consent. Software declared 'shareware' but not officially released public domain will be considered 'Hot'. This will also apply to software released public-domain but without the legal documents to secure the software as public-domain. (i.e. license does not contain any reference to public domain. Although this sounds like a pile of hipe and may bother some members of the net, it is vital to keep software security. I, like many other users, value my job security and legal rights. It is not my wish to get into a fight over what is postable or not. I'm sure that many companies will feal secure in knowing that the software they are downloading is legal and secured. However, it is not my duty to say that a program is better than another, only that it works and is secured. Should I have any problems with legal issues on a software product, I will not post it. If I can get security in posting the software as a public and free release, then I will do so and the end user must be the one to follow any other license restrictions that may be part of the software. This would be true with 'shareware' software. I hope the users of this group will understand the nature of data security and legal security. I do not wish to complicate problems for the end user or for this group. I will do most if not all of the front end work for you. Software will be collected from various sites as well as from user postings. I will try to fill any requests and will document the status of each request. Unlike your local BBS, we cannot afford to take chances. page 16 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- @@ @@ @@: @@: @@@@@@@@@ @@ @@@@@@ @@@@ @@@@@@@@@@ @@: @@: @@:::::@@ @@: @@::::@@ @@::@@ :@@:::::@@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@@@@@@@:: @@: @@: @@: @@@@@@@@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@::::::: @@: @@: @@: @@::::@@: @@: @@: @@@@@@@@@@:: @@: @@@@@@@@ @@@@@@:: @@: @@: @@@@@@@@@@:: :::::::::: :: :::::::: :::::: :: :: :::::::::: The available upload list and status report. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since I am staring out, currently there is no software benched for release. I hope to have some software available soon and will make every effort to fill all requests. page 17 vol. 1 issue 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unvalidated Software.................................................. RYBBS - The Greg Ryan BBS system A programmable BBS system unlike any you have ever seen. Written in Pascal and Assembler, this program will allow for the 'sysop' to custom create a BBS system to his/her needs. Scripts are used for the logic (the sysop program menus and such) and are written in a database/structure language. HDDIAG - a diagnostic tool and disk formatter. Hard disk diagnostics and low level hard disk formats with various interleave factors and sector verification. The Pirate List........................................................ CUBIT - Softlogic's (on-the-fly) disk squeezer and space saver Hacked and released through [ person's name deleted ] in Canada. Some versions are said to contain a trojan that after running will cause problems with the file allocation table. Some versions do work like the original product. DOUBLEDOS - Softlogic's dual dos product Latest hacked version is 'U'. I have yet to see a version newer since Softlogic has placed traps in their programs against pirates. JFORMAT - Tall Tree Systems A great product but not public-domain (see back issues of the net information comp.sys.ibm.pc). It is possible to check to see if it could be release but unlikely. MOONBUGS - Windmill Software The game of MOONBUGS - hacked and released. Hacker unknown (yet). Yeager's Flight Simulator - Hacked by the Software Pirates. This is the real thing but in copiable form. Some releases of the hacked version are in 'snatchit' form. More information to follow on ..... PCTOOLS, NORTON UTILITIES, XTREE, 1DIR, STARGATE, ZORK series games, PINBALL CONSTRUCTION SET, DESMET 'C' COMPILER, and others.... The Hot Line........................................................... This section will contain information about national BBS listings and various PC goings on around the country. No informaion available yet. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@ @@::::::@@ @@::::::@@: @@: @@: @@: @@: @@@@@@@@@:: @@: :: The Binary News Letter - COMP.BINARIES.IBM.PC @@::::::: @@: @@: @@: @@ @@: @@@@@@@@:: :: :::::::: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In closing: Please do not forward your mail to ...!laidbak!guardian but please direct them to The Software Public Library - ...!spl1!bear. Many thanks... .---------. : .-. : ...!spl1!bear : `-'o : : O : `---------' The Far Seek ... Tales from the bad sector. As Harry works on changes to the spellbook, his wife works on the newest modification to the game, a scroll of divorce. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Late News.... @@@@@ @ @ @@@@@ @@@@@@ @@@@ @ @@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @@@@@ @ @ @@@@@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @@@@@ @ @ @ @@@@@@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @@@@@ @ @@@@@@ @@@@ @ @ @ @@@@@@ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It is possible that SOFTGUARD SYSTEMS has released a trojan onto local BBS systems. (as reported by the FIDO news letter). I am currently checking into this and will be talking to Softguard about this matter. For you users of Double Dos (Copyright by Softlogic Systems), I would advise to get a new copy or upgrade to the unprotected versions. BTW: The software is reported to unprotect 3.0 and greater software. This program will erase your disk but keep the FAT (so I am told). ...News at 11.... ---- There is word that a compnay is currently looking into the DOS-OS market. I heard the company was looking into creation of a DOS work-a-like OS to support us DOS system users. (PC-DOS that is...). Although I could not get more information from the guy I talked to, he did say if everything goes well that we could be seeing a 'version 4' by summer or fall of '88. I'll try to get more info as it becomes available... ---- Future contacts will include: Microsoft - re: DOS and PS/2 OS's Softguard Systems - protection at it's worst.. IBM - what about support to us older guys?